Post by mangrovecuckoo on Mar 6, 2015 11:42:53 GMT -5
Fly line manufacturers do not reveal the pound test rating for flylines but for standard lines you can assume they will not break below 20# test. I expect lines 8 and above will be stronger than 30#. I know there are some newer releases for off shore fishing that specifically boast to be stronger than that... I would guess they are in the 50# range.
It is important to realize this rating is for the core material of the flyline. The soft outer coating has little strength. And, since you have mentioned nail knots, its important to understand that the coating will peel off the core long before the core breaks. So, if you use a nail knot as the connector between the butt section of the leader to the flyline you can expect that to be the weakest link.
Knowledgable fly anglers who fish in saltwater for fish that commonly exceed 5 pounds do not use the nail knot to attach their leaders. Well, not in the usual sense anyway. That nice thin common nail knot that flows easily through the guides on the fly rod is strictly a tool of trout fishermen.
An Albright Special is a decent way to permanently attach the butt section, but I and most of the anglers I know prefer to use a loop to loop connection. Unless I'm playing around with my lightest fly rods I use the loops... even for 100#+ tarpon. It is the strongest connection. It does click a bit going through the guides, but so what?
Creating a loop at the end of your fly line reduces the number of times you have to remake that connection too. So you do not keep trimming the tip of the fly line as often.
As to trimming back, the answer is "as little as possible". Fly line manufacturers include a short section of consumable line at the front to allow for trimming. That section is usually only a few feet, like one or two. Once you trim back more than that you begin to cut off the front taper of the fly line. If you have the box the fly line was packaged it probably will tell you how much tip there is.
Now, to preempt your next question... the way I make a loop in the front of the flyline is with a nail knot.
Why don't you just come in some Thursday night so I can show you this stuff.
Krash, the nail knot is one of the easiest knots to tie. Take the tube from a new can of WD 40. Clip of 1 inch, lay it against the fly line and make your wraps, slide the tag end through the tube and slide the tube out, tighten the knot slowly to make sure that the wraps do not overlap, snug it down and clip off the tag end. The whole thing takes about 10 seconds until you get used to it.
Tied up a few trying to find what I'm comfortable with... went 40/30/20, 40/30/15, 30/20/15 using Ande mono leader material for the 40/30/20, and BPS extreme fluro for the 15.
The fly reel I have has a 7wt line with a short piece of mono attached to the end with a nail knot, maybe 4" of mono, and a small loop in its end... leader was attached by figure 8 loop to loop. I assume this is so as not to have to cut back the fly line with each leader change.
Butt to Taper, blood knot good to go, easy and quick to tie, snug as a bug. Tippet 15 fluro, attached also with a blood knot.
I see some people attach a loop to the end of the Taper and Tippet and attach with a loop to loop for the purpose of being able to change out tippet with no loss to the Butt/Taper length.
Tried several attempts at tying a perfection knot in the butt section 40/30 mono to attach to the fly line loop, and am not happy with the outcome. That perfection knot is ok to tie, not the easiest, but it seems to have the tendency of not really locking down snug in the heavier mono's.
What other loop knots do you masters use, and do any of you use the loop to loop at the tippet end, just seems like 3 additional knots to hang up in the turtle grass.
Old fugger with a bad heart, who just wants to fish
Can soaking line in hot water help with heavier line, when tying knots, and will it damage the line in the process? , and has anyone ever tried the line welders? Way too expensive, but cool looking. Obviously both methods would only be used at home, when preparing rigs ahead of time.
Post by mangrovecuckoo on Jan 25, 2017 7:39:31 GMT -5
The perfection loop is what I use at the butt section to fly line connection. Just practice it and be sure to insert a tool to do the final tightening.
I do not use more loops in the leader for the reasons you noted.
One thing I will suggest, which is not what most folks think at first, is to make that perfection loop at the end of the butt section kinda large!
You want the legs of the loop to be around one inch long so they can collapse when there is tension on the line. The knot will pass through your guides easier then. If you try to make the loop real small with thick mono the loop wants to stay round and fights through the guides.
Wow...I've learned a lot from following this thread. The last tip about the legs of the loop is priceless. I can't tell you how many times the loop gets hung up in the guides. All this time I thought that a smaller loop was better.